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Unread 07-01-2022, 01:31 PM
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Inspissated is braggadocio. Obliviate.
All diamond words that would twinkle in the eyes of this miner while digging through caverns of poems.
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I guess my basic principle is I don't want any entries in the OED to have to sit in the back of the bus. The language is a continuum. On top of that, I abhor and execrate fashion as a thing. It amputates. U, non-U, all that.

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Before I absquatulate, I'd offer that when Auden put a recherché word in a poem, it made the poem, or at least added seriously to its grunch.
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That’s a good point, Allen - there are ways to put an obscure word in a poem, and ways not to.

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Likewise one last comment: while I think the Auden method is a valid one, it's only one such. Personally, unless a poem calls for a specific diction because of speaker or perspective or tone, I don't think there needs to be much of a reason to include such words. I think if we scan poetry throughout history for such words asking each one to "make" the poem most all are going to fail that test, and even fail any other test for their existence other than the love of language itself; which should be seen as a virtue.

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Geoffrey Hill in class one day defined poetry as the right words in the right order. I think if something's the right word, it's right and that needs to be trusted. So, yeah. A long word won't always make a poem, but it's got to be right, just as the word "the" does when you stick it in there. I don't believe in first and second class words.

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Very jealous you got to learn from Geoffrey Hill, John, a poet whom I feel I could spend a lifetime immersed in and still not tease out all his meanings. This discussion about "expensive words" and what "the right words" are (and how we know it) could make for an interesting topic in another sub-forum.
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I agree, Jonathan, it could.

Geoffrey Hill was a good teacher, I thought. This was at Cambridge, before he went to Boston with Christopher Ricks. He was teaching us Robert Lowell at the time, either Skunk Hour or For the Union Dead.

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