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Default Concrete Noir


At the East Side

           — L.A.
          (revised text in blue)


He stumbles from a smoky room
           onto the back street (glare
of fresh graffiti) to resume
           his day, with scant fanfare,
when sharp stilettos—thick perfume,

black fishnet stockings, long dark hair—
           strut by. And suddenly,
itches like spider-leg strokes flare
           his nostrils out. Then he
quivers taut, gulps lungfuls of air—

eyes shut tight, head back—to explode
           out one raspy achoo
that dapples dust over the road;
           he tramps and drags a shoe.
“Change, miss?” he asks, hand out, like owed.

Half-seated on a T-Bird’s hood,
           He’s down, with cheer, to show
her in—the muscled arms tattooed.
           He revs his ride as it rumbles low . . .
They’re off, smoke gobbling air like food.



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~~~Second revision ~~~



At the East Side

           — L.A.
          (revised text in blue)

He stumbles from a smoky room
           onto the back street (flair
of fresh graffiti) to resume
           his day, with scant fanfare,
when some high-heeled girl—thick perfume,

black fishnet stockings, long dark hair—
           struts by. And suddenly,
itches like spider-leg strokes flare
           his nostrils out. Then he
quivers taut, gulps lungfuls of air—

eyes shut tight, head back—to explode
           out one raspy achoo
that freckles dark the dusty road;
           he tramps and drags a shoe.
“Change, ma’am?” he asks, hand out, like owed.

Half-seated on a T-Bird’s hood,
           a man awaits to show
her in—arm offered, all tattooed.
           It’s revved; it rumbles low . . .
They’re off
, smoke gobbling air like food.



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~~~First revision ~~~



At the East Side

      — L.A.


He steps out from a smoky room
      onto the back street (glare
of fresh graffiti) to resume
      his daily bland fanfare,
when some high-heeled girl—thick perfume,

black fishnet stockings, long dark hair—
      struts by. And suddenly,
itches like spider-leg strokes flare
      his nostrils wide. Then he
quivers taut, gulps lungfuls of air—

eyes shut tight, head back—to explode
      out one raspy achoo
that bespeckles the dusty road;
      he tramps and drags a shoe.
“Change, ma’am?” he motions, his pace slowed.

Ahead, reclined on a T-Bird’s hood,
      a man awaits to show
her in—arm offered, all tattooed.
      Foot gas-heavy, the beau
is off, smoke devouring air like food.


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Thanks Alex I followed this on, a nice bit of fun and I visualised it all the way. But if you feel so inclined on the architect one not a full exegesis but a nod or two would be appreciated.

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Concrete in both senses of the word! This is engaging in all the sensory details.

"His daily bland fanfare" baffles me, and stands out as lacking the specific picture of most of the rest.

"his pace slowed" is hard to picture. Before tramping, he was looking at this woman and then sneezing, "eyes shut tight, head back." I suppose he might have been walking through all that, but the words don't suggest it, and certainly don't suggest walking at a fast pace. The phrase also suggests that he keeps moving as he asks for change, rather than stopping--stopping feels more likely.

FWIW.
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Hi Alex,

I quite like the tautness of this and the way the rhymes are hidden by heavy enjambment. I can't get a grasp of a consistent metre, really. Even though it looks like a 4,3,4,3,4 rhythm, the stresses don't always fall into place that way, so it reads in places more like a syllabic to me. But I don't mind that, it's just an observation. I quite like it.

Some of the aforementioned rhymes seem a little forced: does graffiti, even fresh, really glare? Could you have him step "into the neon glare" in L2, then do something else with L3? I'm guessing his "bland fanfare" is his repeated request for change but, again, it seems an odd, rhyme-forced choice of words. And does anyone use the word "beau" anymore? (I suppose the Noir of the title indicates a possibly dated, or stylised, reality for the events)

I wonder if "some high-heeled girl—thick perfume,/black fishnet stockings, long dark hair—/struts by" is leaning a bit too heavily on stereotypes. I realise I'm risking double standards here because I was picked up on similar in my recent noir-themed poem. But here there seems no irony or authorial commentary, and it feels...I don't know, a little much.

I do like the "smoke devouring air like food", which is a surprising rhyme that works in its unexpectedness.

Mark

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I tried to answer this earlier Alex but unfortunately Wi-Fi coverage is a bit patchy. I have come back to look at this again and I like this form it is I don’t know what but I suppose I’d call it a jazz ballad. The syncopation works beautifully. I know I will steal the format at some time in the near future. The hood in the hood.

Jan
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Hi Alex,
not sure 'bespeckles' fits the noir mood (similarly 'beau') and the end stutters a bit too much for me.

S1, perhaps 'shuffles' for 'steps out' - do you need girl? (Hardly Chandleresque, is it?)

S2, other than echoing the /aɪ/ of 'spider', what purpose is 'wide' serving'

S3, 'slowed' (maybe, his head bowed?)

S4, 'Ahead' seems to be filler. And wouldn't the height of a T-birds hood make reclining either awkward or ridiculous? And is reclining the right word anyway?

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Thank you all for looking in—and for continuing to look in! I hope the revised version now posted brings some improvement.

Jan, I'm pleased that you were able to follow this one through. I’m delighted that the nonce form (or as you wonderfully dubbed it, the “jazz ballad”) resonated enough for you to want to “steal”. I’m flattered… along the lines of imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! And by the way, I’ve added a few nods to the “Architect” thread in response to your request here.

Max, I appreciate your thoughtful read. Glad to hear you found it engaging—and your critique notes were useful toward the revision.

Mark, thanks for the detailed and candid commentary. There are now tweaks to the areas you highlighted—rhymes, diction, and stylization. It should, hopefully, be tighter and clearer while still leaning into the slightly stylized noir tone.

Richard, many thanks for your precise line critiques. I’ve taken those suggestions into account. Hopefully, the revision improves on diction, clarity, and the visual logic of the final stanza.

All in all, your collective input has been invaluable, and I hope the revised version reads stronger and more cohesively now. I look forward to your thoughts and impressions!

Cheers,
…Alex
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Hi Alex,
a much smoother read now, but ...

I think 'glare' was better than 'flair' (particularly when followed by 'flare')
Not sure 'out' S2/L4 solves the problem (especially when there's an explode / out two lines later.
S3/L3 - not keen on 'freckles'
'like owed' is a strong addition.
Why is the 'arm offered' to show her in? How does that work?

A couple or three suggestions:

when sharp stilettos—thick perfume,

black fishnet stockings, long dark hair—
........strut by. And suddenly,


........out one raspy achoo
that ricochets off down the road;



Half-seated on a T-Bird’s hood,
........the muscle waits to show
her in—arm offered, all tattooed.


RG
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Tiny nit:

I still remember vividly the first time I was addressed as "ma'am." I remember exactly where I was, and what I was wearing (right down to the shoes), and how I was wearing my hair, because I had immediately taken a rather panicked inventory of what could possibly have given that person the impression that I, at age 21, was no longer young enough to be addressed as "miss." I had never considered myself vain about my appearance, but my shocked reaction clearly indicated otherwise.

My point is that men trying to ingratiate themselves with an unknown woman to seek a favor (or a handout) tend to worry that addressing her as "ma'am" is the same as telling her she's old. To avoid any danger of offending her (and thus reducing the chances she'll do the requested favor), they tend to address all unknown women as "miss." Particularly women who are young enough to be referred to as a "girl," as this one was earlier in the poem.
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Thank you all for looking in—and for continuing to look in! I’ve now posted a second revision, which I hope reads even better.

Richard, I appreciate you revisiting the piece. You’ve made a great point about "glare," and you reminded me why I went with it in the first place—it works not just for the reflective light meaning, but also the fixed, confrontational/glaring look. Indeed, both senses apply in this context, with the latter more so. Thank you also the thoughtful feedback on other aspects of the revision!

Julie, your perspective brings a fresh and important lens I hadn’t considered. That "ma’am"/"miss" detail is indeed a nuance to be mindful of. It’s incredibly helpful. Thank you for engaging with the poem in such a meaningful way!

Thanks again to everyone. I hope the new version is an improvement.

Cheers,
—Alex
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