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10-11-2024, 11:29 AM
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Heartwood (R1)
In the grandest chamber of my heart
Veneer is flaking,
Falling from a golden throne.
A woodworm grazing softly in the dark
Stops to poke its head out,
Chews on precious metal claims.
The holes the woodworm leaves
Make nothing holy,
Yet is even this not cause for hope?
That flat-pack throne was built to crumble.
Within the heartwood something’s growing,
Wrestling sustenance from decay.
A larva swells to become a beetle.
Transformation's still in play.
S1L4 "chewing"->"grazing"
S1L3 "flaking" becomes "falling"
S2L2 "betrays" -> "chews on"
S3L2 "ersatz" -> flatpack, "bound"->"built"
S3L2 "Something there is that is still growing" -> "Within the heartwood something’s growing"
S3L4 "Something that wrests" -> "Wrestling"
S4L2 "Transformation is" -> "Transformation's"
In the grandest chamber of my heart
In the grandest chamber of my heart
Veneer is flaking
Peeling from a golden throne
A woodworm chewing softly in the dark
Stops to poke its head out
Betrays all precious metal claims
The holes the woodworm leaves
Make nothing holy
Yet is even this not cause for hope?
That ersatz throne was bound to crumble
Something there is that is still growing
Something that wrests sustenance from decay
A larva swells to become a beetle
Transformation is still in play
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10-12-2024, 10:16 AM
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Hi Matt
Life goes on, one way or another.
Here are some thoughts, some of them self-contradicting and easily ignorable.
S1. You move from a chamber of the heart to a regal chamber boasting a golden throne. I wondered whether a peeling “dome” might a better fit than “throne” for the image? It brings to mind gold onion domes of eastern orthodox churches. But you use “throne” again later on so maybe not
S2 I like the woodworm softly chewing in the dark (and the half-rhyme with “heart”) then taking a break from his labours to poke his head out for a bit of air (and a quick fag?) (Not sure how entomologically secure that observation is but realism is probably not a key concern).
S3 “Betrays all precious metal claims”. I can see that the woodworm is betraying the maker of the (false) claim. But “betrays” is often used in the sense of unintentionally giving away a secretly true thing. And the secret being given away here is that the throne is NOT metal. So perhaps the word should be something more like “subverts” “corrupts”.
S6. I wonder if a more concrete descriptor than “ersatz” (eg “timber”) would be better. But I guess you want the sense of artificial cheap substitute that “ersatz” conveys.
S5 and S7 are unnaturally convoluted. Eg S7 could more simply read
Something there still grows
Something wrests sustenance from decay.
But I guess the twisted construction is deliberate, perhaps following the winding wormholes.
S8 I always enjoy a rhyme to end on.
Cheers
Joe
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10-13-2024, 08:04 AM
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It feels fragmented in both thought and form. The opening line is perfect iambic pentameter. The entire poem is maddeningly metrical but it feels lost inside the arrhythmia of the structure and never finds a form to live in. I’ve come to know you as being a poet who gives careful consideration to every aspect/nuance of your poems. Could it be that this needs more work? Is the poem itself poetic larva?
In my attempt to dissect/piece together the various touchstones of this poem — the heart, the grandest chamber of the heart, the throne, the woodworm, the unholy holes, the larva, the beetle — I looked at the word “larva” for clues. Its etymological origin is 17th century and “denotes a disembodied spirit or ghost”. It is also characterized by “immaturity” — a “yet to be” sense of becoming something. In this case the transformation is in the wake of entropy. It’s a confluence of imagery at work.
I don/t know what to think of the poem. The first line is beautiful but the rest never congeals. Is the poem itself going through a metamorphosis? I can’t help but think that maybe you intended that to be the effect.
L11&12: I did get an echo of Frost's opening line from "Mending Wall" (Something there is that doesn't love a wall)
Still, it feels like you haven’t fully expressed what is in your heart with this poem (pun). I tried for a while to make it be about love lost, but it doesn’t hold up.
I do sometimes think that we are in a constant larval state of being.
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10-13-2024, 08:22 AM
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Hi Matt,
I find the voice in this and your poems recently in general to be charming and engaging -- which is no small thing (I'm a little envious).
The woodworm seems pretty friendly.
I feel like this one is still a little larval itself in places.
I'm not sure you need both 'flaking' and 'peeling'. 'Betrays all precious metal claims' sounds a bit circumlocutory and there is the confusion of 'betrays' being something close to an antonym.
The holes/holy pun is a tough one to get away with -- but I feel like you might when the rest of the poem comes together. I like the plain, direct question line.
I wonder if you need 'ersatz' if its artificiality has been established well enough by the prior lines. I want to like 'Something there is that is' but it trips me every time.
The last line isn't working for me yet -- it feels like a handwave. Even reversing the lines of the final couplet -- which I think would be better -- doesn't smooth it out enough for me.
I took the poem to be a kind of illustration of the concatenation and delineation of selves and ideas of self -- where do they reside in the body and consciousness, what is it we identify with, and how does that relate to mortality and decay (how do we privilege transformations)?
Thanks for the read.
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10-14-2024, 08:11 PM
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Matt, I've been reading this since you posted it. Poems about health, heart disease, are tough. I've written a couple about my CHF but don't like them very much. I like this one because it is angled in a way that toys with the topic until it's ambivalent. (Now, I'm wondering if it is about heart disease. It could be about love.) That is good.
My one quibble is the "golden throne." It is too obvious, generic. It's a place in the poem you could be more interesting and as slyly revealing as the rest of the poem. If you do that the "ersatz throne" can be cut as well.
These are my suggestions. I hope they are of some use.
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10-15-2024, 04:16 AM
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Hi Matt,
Just popping by to say that, for whatever reason, I don't think my brain went all the way in connecting up the woodworm with a disease, rather than, say, the effects of transience and decay we're all subject to, or even just a less-than-ideal aspect of oneself -- maybe not so friendly after all. The connection seems like an easy one to make, now, after John's comment. Sometimes we miss the wood for the woodworm.
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10-15-2024, 10:42 AM
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I love the poem’s conceit, Matt, though, like Joe and John, I wasn’t convinced by the golden throne. The Frost quote (thanks, Jim) is so easy to read as a typo that I wonder if it’s worth it. Does it do anything other than wink at those in the know? Finally, in addition to the pun, “Make nothing holy” can have near-opposite meanings: “Make nothing that is holy” and “Make nothing into something holy.” I wouldn’t be surprised if you like the ambiguity, just thought I’d mention it.
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10-22-2024, 07:27 PM
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Joe, Jim, James, John and Jarl (ahem, sorry -- Carl!)
Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this. Looks like it’s not working yet. I've posted a revision, which hopefully addresses some of your concerns, and likely raises more.
It’s probable that too much of this poem is happening in my head, definitely wouldn’t be the first time.
There exists a narrative around the heart and spiritual/personal growth/transcendence -- that the heart grows, is transformed. So that’s part of the context here. Except the N is experiencing a very different kind of transformation. At the same time, as John suggests, I'm also thinking of ageing/disease/decay of the physical body/heart. A general disillusionment.
In the revision, I’ve got rid of the Frost echo that Jim and Carl spotted. I liked the sound of that phrasing and what it seems to be doing rhetorically, but I can see that it's not really working for most of you.
Carl, Joe and John
With the throne, I was thinking it's where the N once sat, or thought he sat, or maybe once aspired to ascend to, as ego, as king/ruler/owner, surveying/celebrating/admiring the grandness of his heart (and perhaps also his health, and seeming immortality). However, this seat, this position, is no longer tenable. Writing that, I now realise I’ve probably not done nearly enough to hint at this. There may be alternatives to a throne that would do similar work, but I've yet to find one. I thought about “armchair”, but they tend not to wooden, or at least, the comfy ones don’t.
It could be that seat the idea is too complicated – or is confused and doesn’t really work (and "heartwood" maybe isn't helping here) – and I should make this about the heart itself being revealed as not golden. Or I need to set things up more, somehow. I'll keep thinking.
James
I changed “flaking” to “falling”, though I still quite like the original. Peeling and flaking are different, I think. And sonically, I think “falling” works less well, though it probably adds more to the image.
I tried changing the last line. It did does seem important to the poem (as it works in head, anyway) that there is still transformation taking place even in decay, even if it isn’t of the grander kind, and that maybe this transformation might even be seen as valuable.
Joe and James,
I'd intended the double read on "betrays". There is a revealing of something hidden, something not being what it seems. And this is a betrayal of the illusion/beliefs that the N holds. Useful to know you're both not sure of it. It is a bit abstract, I guess. For now, I've gone with "chews on precious metal claims", though I'm not sure I want the woodworm engaged in reflection.
"erstaz" has become "flatpack". Not sure if that’ll stay, but I reckon it's doing more work than ersatz was. Did also wonder about "threadbare", though not sure if that works with a throne.
Carl,
I hadn't spotted the double read on "nothing holy", but you were right in thinking that I’d like it!
Thanks again everyone.
Matt
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10-23-2024, 07:46 AM
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Good revision. The language is much more direct. The regrouping of the lines also smoothes the transitions. The only lines that now feel off to me are S2L3,4:
The holes the woodworm leaves
Make nothing holy,
I feel the word play is too pat. Maybe "whole" for "holy"?
I like the new title, too. It now allows the opening line to shine. Heartwood is dead wood, which adds dimension and perhaps points to what the poem is about.
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10-23-2024, 08:26 AM
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Hi Matt,
I liked the 'flat pack throne' (though preferred 'bound' to 'built') - the perils of self-assembly.
I got a bit lost at the end though. Isn't what is described in S1 also a type of transformation (or two transformations; the one the woodworm is effecting on the throne, and the one of the worm itself?)
It made the ending feel like a restatement, not something revelatory.
RG.
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