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Orwn Acra 09-06-2017 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle Norwood (Post 401697)
Added note: Arrgh, what am I talking about? How could I forget about the great Richard Wilbur, the great but often overlooked Donald Hall, and the perpetual caricature of himself who still managed to write some outstanding poems, Robert Bly?

And Lawrence Ferlinghetti, last of the Beats! He is 98.

John Isbell 09-06-2017 06:54 AM

I have a bilingual volume called Beat published in Moscow, 2004. It's pretty good. Ferlinghetti appears after Ginsberg.
There's a Wilbur thread in General Talk.

Cheers,
John

Allen Tice 09-06-2017 08:53 AM

Gibberish.


Alas.

Not Ferlinghetti.

Orwn Acra 09-06-2017 09:17 AM

Allen, do you really think it is gibberish? Maybe the weaker poems, but "Into the Dusk-Charged Air," my favorite Ashbery, is hardly gibberish. I think it is amazing and beautiful; there is a recording of his reading it and I was struck by how everyone laughed at the same line—a line that has no right to be funny but somehow is.

I don't understand Sam's poem. Ashbery never wrote a blank poem, and his mien is totally different from Cage's. I appreciate the work of both.

Allen Tice 09-06-2017 12:05 PM

I should never have spoken ill of the recently dead. I apologize to his ghost and his friends. Obviously, I haven't read enough of his good poems. Apologies.

R. S. Gwynn 09-06-2017 12:07 PM

Walter, Cage was an immense influence on Ashbery, though most of the latter's friends were other poets and painters. I like Ashbery at his most garrulous, poems like "Leaving Atocha Station" and "Daffy Duck in Hollywood." But he was notoriously reticent (though interviewed many times) about his own poetry. I don't think Ashbery knew Rothko very well personally, but his comments on the latter's work are revealing:

http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/2007...my-rothko.html

R. S. Gwynn 09-06-2017 01:50 PM

I have revised the title to "Ashbery Met in Heaven by John Cage" and added a few lines of clarification.

Roger Slater 09-06-2017 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John Isbell (Post 401699)
Heaven
Heaven is a place
where nothing
nothing ever happens.


One of my favorite Talking Heads songs. Heaven.


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